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Who is to blame for the DEI lawsuits? An HR director reveals the truth

Who is to blame for the DEI lawsuits? Finally, we have some answers! Here is the second slice of our three-part interview with Neil Morrison, group HR director at the British water company Severn Trent.

With reference to high profile cases including Lloyds Banking Group, Thames Valley Police, the Open University and Cambridgeshire County Council, we ask:

  • Why don’t DEI and HR professionals understand the Equality Act 2010 – and do they even need to? (Neil suggests not – find out why…)
  • How did an external training session result in an employment tribunal costing Lloyds Banking Group £1m – and what questions remain about what went wrong?
  • What is impairing people’s judgement? Are professionals acting on their own politics – or is there a fear that their brand won’t be seen as tough enough on racism, sexism, transphobia, etc?
  • Are there too many DEI ‘grifters’? How did an explosion in demand from employers for equalities training open the door to DEI trainers with questionable credentials, and iffy advice?
  • Did anybody read the government’s Inclusion at Work report, published in the spring? Was the low level of interest really down to the ‘Kemi Badenoch’ factor? (Spoiler: Yes!)
  • Are employers taking notice of the rising number of employees who are winning DEI-related cases at employment tribunal?
  • Have staff networks suffered from mission creep, and is it right that they are now directly feeding in to company policy?
  • Is it time for the smartest HR directors to take charge, and return to a more thoughtful, ‘common sense’ approach to managing problems around DEI issues?
  • These lawsuits are expensive, stressful and – crucially – avoidable. Don’t we all want to reduce the risk of them happening?

Enjoy the episode!

PS. look out for the next one… where we’ll ask Neil how heads of DEI have got away with behaving like activists, and whether the UK’s DEI industry is about to shrink dramatically…

September 24, 2024
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Is DEI doomed? An HR director speaks!

In this ground-breaking episode, a sensible, experienced, centrist HR director busts multiple taboos – answering questions about how and why DEI has gone wrong in so many organisations. Neil Morrison, group HR director at Severn Trent, gets into race, disability, trans inclusion, Israel/Gaza… the lot. We cover:

  • Was it a mistake for brands to rush in with statements about Black Lives Matter?
  • Why are so many DEI professionals overstepping their role into policing employees’ words – and sometimes even their thoughts?
  • What problems is bad practice in DEI creating for organisations internally? (Think productivity, retention and grievances?
  • Is it time to consider the impact on recruitment and employer brand? For example, have John Lewis’s bold statements around gender identity put some people off applying to work there?

Could this conversation be a turning point for HR? The start of a collective effort to investigate where we’ve lost our way, and how to navigate a path to ways of working that are more productive – and genuinely inclusive? Let’s hope so.

This was such a brilliant conversation that we’ve split it into three episodes – this is the first. Episodes 7 and 8 (coming soon) will cover:

  • Whose fault are the DEI-related lawsuits – and are organisations taking notice?
  • Have staff networks suffered from mission creep – and where is the quality control for external training?
  • Why are so many Heads of DEI behaving like activists?
  • Can HR directors continue to ignore the problems that bad DEI is creating? (Spoiler: No!)
  • Should DEI professionals start looking for new jobs?

If you love or loathe DEI, this conversation will challenge you. If you take a centrist view and think it’s time for HR professionals to start talking more honestly about the challenges that our organisations face, it will feel like a breath of fresh air. Here’s to more discussion – enjoy the episode!

PS. If this conversation chimes with you, our podcast host Tanya de Grunwald is collecting senior HR professionals who share Neil’s view that bad practice in DEI is proving to be problematic, with the aim of finding solutions together. If this is you, please contact Tanya via LinkedIn. Thank you!

September 18, 2024
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Your Host: Tanya de Grunwald

Journalist, HR commentator, founder of the Good + Fair Employers Club and careers blog Graduate Fog, and listed as one of HR Magazine's 'Most Influential Thinkers'

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Should people have to pretend their male colleague is female (or vice versa) just to keep their job? Until now, ‘trans inclusion’ has asked employers to put the comfort of trans-identifying staff first. But is it time for a more balanced approach, considering the impact on everyone around them, and the productivity of the organisation that employs them? 

Is using someone’s preferred pronouns really a small courtesy, or is it a greater imposition than it seems? And is affirming trans-identifying people actually helping them, or are their colleagues unwittingly digging them deeper into a belief that’s doing them harm?

To explore these questions, Tanya de Grunwald is joined by Dionne Joseph, a London-based clinical psychologist with more than 30 years’ experience who writes as ‘Dr P’ on X.
 
They ask:

– Did employers get so fixated on pronouns and toilets that they missed the bigger picture? Dionne argues they ‘made a molehill out of a mountain’, when the real question was whether some of these colleagues’ needs could ever be met in a workplace.

– What happens to a team’s productivity when everyone in the meeting is asked to pretend John is Jane? Drawing on the classic Stroop experiment, Dionne makes the case that asking people to override their instinct to recognise sex slows thinking, dampens performance and puts staff on edge, which is hardly a ‘small courtesy.’

– Is ‘I don’t mind a man wearing a dress to work, as long as I don’t have to pretend he’s a woman’ really a workable compromise? Tanya describes the unspoken power dynamic of small talk at the biscuit table. Dionne sees cross-dressing at work as a boundary violation and warns that every concession an employer makes will simply be followed by the next demand.

– Are employers doing trans-identifying staff any favours by affirming them? From office crowdfunders for top surgery to unsupervised staff network lunches, Dionne argues that every colleague who plays along risks digging the person deeper into what she sees as a mental health problem rather than an identity.

– Has the ‘kind’ employer quietly become a coercive controller of its female staff? Dionne says she is inundated with messages from women dreading Monday morning. She argues that mandatory lanyards, training and Pride screensavers impose a belief system on the very people expected to keep quiet about it.

– Why can’t staff admit that a colleague’s presentation gives them ‘the ick’? Tanya tackles the argument that any such reaction is on a par with racism. Dionne, who is black, explains why she finds that comparison profoundly insulting.

– Should employers be asking whether staff on high doses of cross-sex hormones are fit for safety-critical roles? Dionne argues the effects of these hormones on mood and cognition have never been properly studied. She says she’d want anyone taking them in a high-risk job, such as pilots, air traffic controllers or surgeons, to have regular neuropsychological testing.

Tanya isn’t asking Dionne to write anyone’s HR policy. As she says, that’s a job for employers and their lawyers, and a follow-up is already on the cards over at her new business network platform This Is Working (ThisIsWorking.net).

But she’s convinced this is a conversation sensible employers are already having behind closed doors, about who they hire, what they’re asking colleagues to go along with, and who is really paying the price for ‘inclusion.’ 

This is not one for the faint-hearted, but it might just be the conversation everyone’s having out loud a year from now.

Enjoy the episode…

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