We knew Donald Trump hated ‘DEI nonsense’ – but did we expect him to torch it on Day 1 of his new term in the White House? And what does this mean for those of us working in or around this troubled industry? In this episode, Tanya and (sensible!) DEI (or ‘EDI’ in the UK) consultant Heeral Gudka (founder of Convergent) discuss the immediate impact of a momentous week for DEI – and what the US ‘vibe shift’ might mean for the UK long-term. Included in their analysis:

• DOES THIS PROVE THAT DEI WAS POLITICAL, ALL ALONG? It’s not normal for a whole industry to be so vulnerable to the arrival of a new US President. If Trump torching DEI suggests this work had become too aligned with the Democrats in the US, what are the lessons for DEI in the UK?

• WHO IS THE MOST DISTRESSED? Tanya voices particular concern for DEI advocates who identify as trans or non-binary. Always a vulnerable group, they have built their career around creating norms that help them to feel accepted on their own terms. Now the new administration – and American voters – seem to have rejected the concept of gender identity (prioritising biological sex instead), how will they cope with this new reality? Will they continue to urge employers to campaign for the world they want – or concede that it is not appropriate for most to do this?

• IS IT TOO LATE TO SAVE DEI? Tanya and Heeral’s LinkedIn feeds show numerous shocked DEI professionals who seem not to have been paying attention. Meanwhile, others are calmly proposing a more moderate, conciliatory, evidence-driven approach, to course-correct and save DEI. Does this suggest they knew all along that they had over-reached? Are they only pitching a reset now the tide has turned against them?

• WHAT ARE UK HR DIRECTORS SAYING? We hear from two – with slightly different takes about the significance of what’s happening Stateside, and how (and when) it’s likely to impact UK employers – both in the private and public sector…

• DOES DATA AND DISCUSSION OFFER A PATH BACK TO COMMON SENSE? One HR director says it’s time to accept Alex Edmans’ evidence that we were duped by the ‘McKinsey Myth’ (that demographic diversity leads to improved financial performance – when it doesn’t) and look again at how recruit and retain the best people, and maximise productivity. They say HR professionals would be smart to jump at Simon Fanshawe’s advice to encourage disagreement, and Tanya’s invitation to crack open long-overdue discussions about where we’ve lost our way, and how to navigate our return to a more sensible approach…

• ARE HR AND DEI PEOPLE SHARING THEIR OWN VIEWS TOO FREELY ON SOCIAL MEDIA? Do they realise they are creating risk for their employer (or clients) by showing they have clear political biases? Heeral – who specialises in resolving workplace conflicts around belief discrimination – warns that expressing strong opinions can backfire if grievance investigations turn sour, as social media posts can be used to show the investigator was not impartial. In particular, Heeral predicts a rise in conflicts around gender critical beliefs – as too many HR teams still fail to understand the significance of Maya Forstater’s landmark case in 2023, which showed that such views are legally protected in the UK…

Enjoy the episode!