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The Cult Of ‘Inclusion’ Impacts Charities And Churches

May 7, 2026
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The Ick Factor: What Is Too Weird For Work?

May 3, 2026
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Have Employers Missed The Vibe Shift? (Ft. Brendan O’Neill)

Can you feel it? Change is happening — culturally, politically, and inside the workplace. Orthodoxies that shaped the last decade of daily life are being questioned and dumped. Which employers have noticed the ‘vibe shift’ and which have missed it?

In this episode of This Isn’t Working, host Tanya de Grunwald is joined by journalist Brendan O’Neill – chief political writer at Spiked, and author of the new book ‘Vibe Shift’ – to examine why workplaces are both vibe shift battlegrounds, and some of the last places to formally recognise what’s happening.

Together, they explore how years of values-driven management, DEI orthodoxy, and risk-averse corporate decision-making have reshaped professional life — and why dismantling or reforming these systems may prove far more painful than building them.

If a cultural correction is underway, employers could soon find themselves caught between competing expectations from employees, leadership, and the wider public.

This conversation goes beyond headlines and culture war slogans to ask deeper questions about power, conformity, class, and institutional inertia.

Why do organisations struggle to reverse course once a moral consensus has taken hold? And what happens when employees begin to sense that the rules are changing — but leadership hasn’t caught up yet?

Brendan argues that entire industries and professional identities have grown around enforcing particular cultural norms, meaning any shift away from them is unlikely to be smooth or quiet. Instead, employers may face resistance, confusion, and fierce internal pushback as expectations collide with a rapidly evolving social mood.

We ask:

  • Why are so many people talking about a “vibe shift” — and what concrete changes are actually driving the feeling that the cultural pendulum is swinging back?
  • Have employers become trapped by policies and workplace ideologies they adopted too quickly, without fully understanding their long-term consequences?
  • Why do large organisations struggle to adapt when social attitudes change — even when employees themselves can sense the mood shifting?
  • What role have HR departments and corporate leaders played in embedding cultural norms that may now be losing public support?
  • Will workplace conflict intensify before things stabilise, and how should leaders prepare for backlash from staff who feel invested in the old consensus?

Provocative, timely, and often darkly funny, this episode explores the growing gap between cultural reality and workplace practice — and asks whether employers are ready for what comes next…

Enjoy the episode!

Buy Brendan’s new book Vibe Shift: The Revolt Against Wokeness, Greenism And Technocracy https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vibe-Shift-Wokeness-Greenism-Technocracy-ebook/dp/B0G72K3PH8

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Freedom In The Arts
https://www.freedominthearts.com/

March 3, 2026
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Is HR Holding Back British Business? (Podcast episode)

HR is under fire – and we need to talk about why. This blistering episode explores what’s gone wrong, who’s to blame – and how mistakes can be fixed.

Recorded in London on 10 February 2026, this film shows what happened at our second ‘This Is Working’ event – an evening of frank discussion and clear-eyed analysis with senior business professionals from across the private sector.

Host Tanya de Grunwald welcomed a panel of special guests:

Neil Morrison – HR Director, Severn Trent
Octavius Black CBE – Founder, MindGym
Akua Reindorf KC – Employment and discrimination barrister
Steve Harrison – Author of Adland’s Progressive Gaze: How UK Advertising Lost Sight Of The People And Things That Matter Most

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Who was there on the night? View our photo gallery https://bit.ly/4qOtwrP

Want to attend our next This Is Working event – or keen to see the report from the second half of this evening? Drop us a note, or subscribe for updates https://bit.ly/44jT7AW

March 3, 2026
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How Should Employers Handle Activist Staff?

What happens when the workplace becomes a moral battleground, a group therapy session, or a political rally? And how should disruptive staff be dealt with?

In this darkly funny, unsettling, and sharply insightful episode of This Isn’t Working, clinical psychologist and culture critic Jaco van Zyl takes us deep into the psychological underworld of modern workplace activism.

Before empoyers can find solutions to emerging issues with increasingly demanding and unreasonable staff, they must first understand the problem – which Jaco argues has a large psychological component.

From moral grandstanding and identity performance to power, status, and the strange emotional rewards of self-appointed judges of what (and who) is ‘good’ and ‘bad’, this is a conversation that goes far beyond people policies, and into the human instincts driving today’s office conflicts.

As co-director of Critical Therapy Antidote, Jaco brings a clinical lens to what happens when ideology, therapy culture, and corporate life collide — and why HR often finds itself stuck playing referee (or ‘Mum’) in battles it was never trained to fight.

We ask:

  • Why has activism become such a powerful source of meaning, belonging, and even excitement at work? Who is drawn to the idea of taking their identity and political views into the professional space, and why?
  • Have employers played a part in encouraging bad behaviour – for example, by creating internal staff networks, pandering to demands for speech policing, and embracing flawed ideas like ‘bring your whole self to work’?
  • What are the psychological payoffs of calling out, cancelling, or ‘educating’ colleagues — and who really holds the power in these dynamics? What do disruptive colleagues actually want?
  • When and how does a drive for ‘inclusion’ slide into aggression, coercion, and control – and why can’t activist employees tell when they’ve overstepped the line?
  • How will problematic employees respond when employers finally push back towards a more grounded, professional working environment? What strategies can they put in place to mitigate explosive reactions from troublemakers who have become accustomed to getting their own way?

By turns disturbing, witty, and uncomfortably familiar, this episode offers a rare psychological look at the hidden motives, emotional currents, and unintended consequences shaping today’s “values-driven” workplace.

Enjoy the episode!

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Critical Therapy Antidote https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/
Freedom in the Arts https://www.freedominthearts.com/

January 20, 2026
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Pronouns v Profit: Are UK Firms Poised To Dump DEI?

Has the ‘vibe shift’ reached UK companies? Who’s to blame for risky policies and ‘inclusion’ practices that turned out to be such bad business? We have brand new insights to share – straight from the mouths of employers!

At the launch of our new business network ‘This Is Working’, 50 senior leaders, lawyers, HR professionals, risk experts and business owners gathered for a rare, open conversation. We also heard an exclusive talk by Alex Edmans, finance professor at London Business School, titled: ‘Was there ever a business case for DEI?’

What emerged from the evening was striking: the problems employers face today were not created just by activists and HR, but by decisions made across multiple departments — including legal, risk, compliance, recruitment, communications, and senior leadership.

In this candid episode, Tanya de Grunwald is joined by FTSE 100 Chief Strategy Officer Paul Sweeney and architect and business leader Patrik Schumacher (of Zaha Hadid Architects) to unpack why employers are finally ready to admit that everyone played a part in creating the current confusion and mess — and why only cross-functional honesty will get us out of it.

We cover:

IS THIS THE MOMENT PRIVATE-SECTOR EMPLOYERS FINALLY START TALKING TO EACH OTHER? Why did so many senior leaders turn up ready to speak openly — even on taboo topics? And what does it signal that, despite the sensitive themes, not one person opted out of being photographed?

HOW DID HR, LEGAL, RISK AND LEADERSHIP ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CURRENT PROBLEMS? From unlawful policies written without legal scrutiny, to risk teams who missed the clear dangers from HR policies, to leaders who dodged difficult conversations — how did so many disciplines independently make decisions that collectively led us here?

WHY WILL FIXING THIS REQUIRE A TEAM EFFORT? Employers now see that these challenges cut across policy, culture, governance and leadership. No single department can repair this alone. We explore why only joint, honest, cross-disciplinary discussions can untangle what’s gone wrong.

CAN WE MOVE FROM GROUPTHINK TO GROWTH? After years of silence, deference and “be kind” culture, organisations are realising how dangerous it is when teams stop challenging each other. What happens when leaders actively encourage disagreement, scrutiny and open debate again?

WHAT DID PROFESSOR ALEX EDMANS REVEAL ABOUT THE ‘BUSINESS CASE’ FOR DEI? We examine his keynote showing that demographic diversity was never the performance driver employers believed it to be — and why firms are now refocusing on cognitive diversity, evidence and commercial realism.

HOW DID WELL-MEANING POLICIES CREATE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? From recruitment practices that illegally skew hiring, to training that shut down discussion, to policies that exposed organisations to legal and reputational risks — how did siloed decisions spiral into today’s problems?

WHY HAS DISABILITY BEEN IGNORED — AND WHAT DOES THAT TELL US We revisit powerful contributions about disability being crowded out by more fashionable causes. What can this teach employers about how “inclusion” drifted away from evidence, need and fairness?

WHY TALKING — OPENLY, HONESTLY, AND SOON — IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD Across the room there was agreement: employers must stop whispering and start talking. Only by sharing what’s gone wrong, and comparing notes across functions and organisations, can we rebuild workplaces that are lawful, functional and genuinely inclusive.

This is a hopeful, energising episode about the start of a new phase for UK employers — one in which leaders finally have the confidence to speak plainly, work collaboratively, and fix the problems created during a strange and turbulent decade of workplace culture change.

Enjoy the episode!

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November 19, 2025
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Who Will Win The War On ‘Woke’ Workplaces?

Who is still pushing ‘woke’ at work – and why is it so hard to challenge? This entertaining episode (recorded at the Battle of Ideas on 19 October 2025) explores the exasperating power of virtue signaling, lived experience and cancel culture at work. And we ask: what will it take to restore balance and neutrality to the UK’s workplaces?

With thanks to Eric Kaufmann – professor of politics at the University of Buckingham, and author of Taboo: How Making Race Sacred Produced a Cultural Revolution – for joining Tanya de Grunwald for this special live episode.

This Is Working – Tanya’s new business network
Launch event – Tuesday 4 November, 6.30pm, Central London
https://thisisntworkingpodcast.co.uk/were-launching/

October 22, 2025
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Inside The Reform Conference: What Do Employers Need To Know?

Can left-leaning HR teams face the truth – that many of their colleagues support Reform UK? Or will employees with a St George’s Cross sticker on their laptop be forced to apologise for the ‘harm’ it causes to colleagues?

In this episode, Tanya de Grunwald describes her trip to the Reform UK Party Conference in Birmingham – and what Nigel Farage’s soaring popularity (and the UK’s rising political temperature) means for employers.

Tanya, Heeral Gudka and Levi Pay discuss the challenges and risks that organisations must grapple with… before it’s too late.

Notes :

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This Isn’t Working will be recorded LIVE on Sunday 19 October at 12.45pm
Episode: Who Will Win The War On Woke Workplaces?
(Ft. Eric Kaufmann: author of Taboo, and Professor of Politics at the University of Buckingham)

Don’t Divide Us: The Equality Act Isn’t Working (report)
https://bit.ly/45Xe2uz

Reform UK member Saba Poursaeedi’s case against Hightown
https://bit.ly/41MTvXf

Heera Gudka
https://convergentconsulting.org/

Levi Pay
https://www.plinthhouse.com/

September 10, 2025
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The Trans Movement Isn’t Working

How well is ‘trans inclusion’ working out for employers – and which will be the first organisations to correct their mistakes? Hear what happened when This Isn’t Working host Tanya de Grunwald sat down with Father Ted creator and free speech advocate Graham Linehan…

Interview hosted on Graham’s channel https://www.youtube.com/@GrahamLinehan

August 14, 2025
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How Did We End Up With A Case Like Sandie Peggie?

Have standards collapsed across HR? Why are so many ‘people professionals’ confused about what their job is? And what did the UK’s biggest HR conference tell us about who is to blame for the mess?

Some shocking practice has been exposed recently, raising urgent questions about standards, ethics and legal compliance across the UK’s HR industry.

Are we seeing pockets of incompetence – or do the worst cases (such as Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses) point to rot so deep and widespread that it is now the competent HR professionals who are in the minority?

To explore these questions, Tanya de Grunwald is joined by Heeral Gudka, director of the DEI consultancy Convergent, and author of a white paper titled Freedom of Expression and Belief Conflicts are the New EDI Frontier.

Reflecting on their experiences at the CIPD Festival of Work in June, Tanya and Heeral conclude that robust debate and high-quality training has vanished, and been replaced by sponsor-driven content designed to generate income for the conference organisers, not to give HR professionals the challenging learning experience they need.

Perhaps most worryingly, Tanya and Heeral recall a shocking panel discussion at the conference about the Equality Act, where a CIPD staff member said the recent Supreme Court ruling (that ‘sex’ means biological sex, according to the law) ‘erodes trans rights,’ and creates confusion for employers. Then he made a flippant comment about ‘policing’ women’s toilets.

And the lawyer on the panel – representing Lewis Silkin – appeared to express similar confusion and incompetence.

No wonder this industry is in a muddle, if these are the people who have been appointed to set standards…

Enjoy the episode!

Heeral’s company:
Convergent https://convergentconsulting.org/

Heeral’s white paper:
Freedom Of Expression and Belief Conflicts Are The New EDI Frontier https://convergentconsulting.org/foe-paper/

CIPD panel discussion:
What Would A Future Focussed Equality Act Look Like?
Full recording: https://bit.ly/45jVC5A

August 4, 2025
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Should people have to pretend their male colleague is female (or vice versa) just to keep their job? Until now, ‘trans inclusion’ has asked employers to put the comfort of trans-identifying staff first. But is it time for a more balanced approach, considering the impact on everyone around them, and the productivity of the organisation that employs them? 

Is using someone’s preferred pronouns really a small courtesy, or is it a greater imposition than it seems? And is affirming trans-identifying people actually helping them, or are their colleagues unwittingly digging them deeper into a belief that’s doing them harm?

To explore these questions, Tanya de Grunwald is joined by Dionne Joseph, a London-based clinical psychologist with more than 30 years’ experience who writes as ‘Dr P’ on X.
 
They ask:

– Did employers get so fixated on pronouns and toilets that they missed the bigger picture? Dionne argues they ‘made a molehill out of a mountain’, when the real question was whether some of these colleagues’ needs could ever be met in a workplace.

– What happens to a team’s productivity when everyone in the meeting is asked to pretend John is Jane? Drawing on the classic Stroop experiment, Dionne makes the case that asking people to override their instinct to recognise sex slows thinking, dampens performance and puts staff on edge, which is hardly a ‘small courtesy.’

– Is ‘I don’t mind a man wearing a dress to work, as long as I don’t have to pretend he’s a woman’ really a workable compromise? Tanya describes the unspoken power dynamic of small talk at the biscuit table. Dionne sees cross-dressing at work as a boundary violation and warns that every concession an employer makes will simply be followed by the next demand.

– Are employers doing trans-identifying staff any favours by affirming them? From office crowdfunders for top surgery to unsupervised staff network lunches, Dionne argues that every colleague who plays along risks digging the person deeper into what she sees as a mental health problem rather than an identity.

– Has the ‘kind’ employer quietly become a coercive controller of its female staff? Dionne says she is inundated with messages from women dreading Monday morning. She argues that mandatory lanyards, training and Pride screensavers impose a belief system on the very people expected to keep quiet about it.

– Why can’t staff admit that a colleague’s presentation gives them ‘the ick’? Tanya tackles the argument that any such reaction is on a par with racism. Dionne, who is black, explains why she finds that comparison profoundly insulting.

– Should employers be asking whether staff on high doses of cross-sex hormones are fit for safety-critical roles? Dionne argues the effects of these hormones on mood and cognition have never been properly studied. She says she’d want anyone taking them in a high-risk job, such as pilots, air traffic controllers or surgeons, to have regular neuropsychological testing.

Tanya isn’t asking Dionne to write anyone’s HR policy. As she says, that’s a job for employers and their lawyers, and a follow-up is already on the cards over at her new business network platform This Is Working (ThisIsWorking.net).

But she’s convinced this is a conversation sensible employers are already having behind closed doors, about who they hire, what they’re asking colleagues to go along with, and who is really paying the price for ‘inclusion.’ 

This is not one for the faint-hearted, but it might just be the conversation everyone’s having out loud a year from now.

Enjoy the episode…

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Would You Hire An Eddie Izzard? (Ft. ‘Dr P’)
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September 30, 2026
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Has America Really Dumped DEI? (Ft. Andrew Crapuchettes)
September 17, 2026
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‘No Debate’ Is Dead – What Now? (Ft. Nick Wallis)
September 9, 2026
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Did The HR Industry Kill Jason Arday? (Ft. Jaco van Zyl)
August 25, 2026
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Why Has Pride Died? 7 Reasons The Big Brands Bailed
July 22, 2026
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Have Employers Missed The Vibe Shift? (Ft. Brendan O’Neill)
March 3, 2026
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Is HR Holding Back British Business? (Ft. Akua Reindorf, Octavius Black, Neil Morrison, Steve Harrison)
February 24, 2026
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How Should Employers Handle Activist Staff? (Ft. Jaco van Zyl)
January 20, 2026
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Pronouns v Profit: Are UK Firms Poised To Dump DEI? (Ft. Patrik Schumacher & Paul Sweeney)
November 19, 2025
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